1 00:00:01,060 --> 00:00:09,100 dark skies takes place in the 60s and it's all\h about historical events reinterpreted through\h\h 2 00:00:09,100 --> 00:00:14,860 the eyes of an alien conspiracy so those stories\h they're all true well nothing is all true depends\h\h 3 00:00:14,860 --> 00:00:19,690 on who you talk to as a consequence most of\h what we know about the way history went down\h\h 4 00:00:19,690 --> 00:00:24,520 in the last sixty to seventy years has been\h colored by that and yet it's been covered up\h\h 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,820 you don't keep the President of the United\h States in the dark about this it's wrong so\h\h 6 00:00:27,820 --> 00:00:34,270 everything that you know about our American\h culture was not inspired by Americans but in\h\h 7 00:00:34,270 --> 00:00:40,960 fact by either aliens or the government trying\h to suppress the information it didn't change\h\h 8 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,190 history it just gave it a little twist I\h don't know who your friends are the town\h\h 9 00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:50,290 air force is out there far more powerful\h that's the essence of the of the series 10 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:04,050 a good family friend of ours at when I was just\h getting out of high school was working at a very\h\h 11 00:01:04,050 --> 00:01:10,200 high level in the Reagan administration and one\h night he took me aside and was telling me some of\h\h 12 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,130 the things he was doing in the government and\h he was going to get us a white house tour and\h\h 13 00:01:14,130 --> 00:01:22,800 everything and ended up you know telling me some\h pretty shattering stories and in particular he\h\h 14 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,660 knew that I had always been into science fiction\h and fantasy in comic books and whatnot and very\h\h 15 00:01:27,660 --> 00:01:33,810 casually just threw out there that aliens were\h real they're here and I've seen them the story\h\h 16 00:01:33,810 --> 00:01:40,470 goes on to much greater detail because at the time\h I was just absolutely shocked and this is a person\h\h 17 00:01:40,470 --> 00:01:47,520 I grew up with and I completely trusted and and\h he just rocked my world and I have not told a\h\h 18 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,980 lot of people the story but I made this kind of\h connection with Bryce over lunch and realized how\h\h 19 00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:57,840 deeply he was into UFOs and I said well I have to\h tell you the story then I thought either that's\h\h 20 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,980 true in which case this is phenomenal and an\h incredible story and I'll have to do something\h\h 21 00:02:01,980 --> 00:02:07,800 with it or I also thought if it's not true he's a\h hell of a storyteller and we should be working so\h\h 22 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:13,380 we decided to work together and we started talking\h over UFOs I had been working on something called\h\h 23 00:02:13,380 --> 00:02:17,760 majestic I think at the time and Brent came in\h one day and said I got a better title for you\h\h 24 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:26,010 dark skies and that kind of stuck and then for an\h entire month we we're at my office at Universal\h\h 25 00:02:26,010 --> 00:02:30,720 and you would come by every day and we would\h just work on on the notebook that became this\h\h 26 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,100 thing that we ended up selling it with him we just\h worked we didn't tell anybody what we're doing it\h\h 27 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:42,540 was perfect dark skies Ian's development where you\h do it you don't tell anybody and you go a little\h\h 28 00:02:42,540 --> 00:02:47,730 bit insane and that kind of worked usually you\h know you're you're developing something and you\h\h 29 00:02:47,730 --> 00:02:51,840 start hyping your agents and your lawyers and\h getting people excited about something and we\h\h 30 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:57,090 went completely off the grid totally and had this\h whole thing and by the time anyone heard about it\h\h 31 00:02:57,090 --> 00:03:02,670 it was through this top-secret briefing book that\h they had to read you know like a hundred pages of\h\h 32 00:03:02,670 --> 00:03:08,760 content it wasn't just a TV pitch it was a whole\h world in the days when we were putting together\h\h 33 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:14,970 the briefing book we were working in a vacuum\h which was very exhilarating but there was a bit\h\h 34 00:03:14,970 --> 00:03:23,400 of madness going on you know we we envisioned this\h big epic series and we just kept feeding our own\h\h 35 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,530 imaginations wealth well if we open up that thing\h in history let's open up this and let's say this\h\h 36 00:03:28,530 --> 00:03:33,300 and we decided once we kind of went down that\h rabbit hole well let's just come out with the\h\h 37 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:38,340 whole five-year vision you know I mean this was\h in reaction to other shows that felt like they\h\h 38 00:03:38,340 --> 00:03:41,760 were just making it up as they went along we\h said well let's do the antithesis let's come\h\h 39 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,310 out with a whole blueprint so we've got a big\h epic show we can actually prove to people that\h\h 40 00:03:47,310 --> 00:03:53,190 we've thought this through and but what it meant\h was in the span of a month or so thinking out\h\h 41 00:03:53,190 --> 00:03:58,320 five seasons which is a lot to do and and we just\h kept falling in love with the idea of well let's\h\h 42 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,580 put more details because again we had history to\h mine from I mean I remember seeing this thing I\h\h 43 00:04:02,580 --> 00:04:08,430 still have it I have that dark skies Bible that\h he handed to me and said this is top secret and\h\h 44 00:04:08,430 --> 00:04:15,930 it was basically it spelled out the five seasons\h I thought these guys brilliant they have captured\h\h 45 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:21,690 an idea that really was ahead of its time it was\h sort of out of the box at some point we started\h\h 46 00:04:21,690 --> 00:04:26,490 realizing we're gonna put all of this out there\h and then people are gonna know where it goes so\h\h 47 00:04:26,490 --> 00:04:30,210 we're gonna have to put we're gonna have to put\h certain versions out there to get people going\h\h 48 00:04:30,210 --> 00:04:34,380 what's the truth what's the truth you know what\h blows my mind still today if you look at this\h\h 49 00:04:34,380 --> 00:04:43,650 original briefing document the timeline goes from\h 75 million BC to which admittedly was not part of\h\h 50 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:52,170 our series at least for a while to 2020 yeah so\h that's kind of a lot of extra credit yeah I know\h\h 51 00:04:52,170 --> 00:04:56,340 that we ever got the extra credit for doing it\h but well you know one certainly did it one thing\h\h 52 00:04:56,340 --> 00:05:00,030 you're always asked to do when you're developing\h a show is they say well you know come up with some\h\h 53 00:05:00,030 --> 00:05:04,650 outlines for what a an episode would be just to\h show that there's actually something there so we\h\h 54 00:05:04,650 --> 00:05:10,350 said well we actually have millions of years but\h you know we did that for a reason we knew that the\h\h 55 00:05:10,350 --> 00:05:17,010 the thing that we were pitching was so outlandish\h mm-hmm and so outrageous that conventionally it\h\h 56 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:21,360 would just be rejected and people go out you\h know what it's a great concept this thing about\h\h 57 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,160 the Kennedy assassination you know it's but it's\h a one-off you know you get away with it once and\h\h 58 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:33,930 that's it so we've sort of felt that that it was\h important for us to prove to people that it wasn't\h\h 59 00:05:33,930 --> 00:05:41,730 a one-off that that there were lots and lots of\h stories so we sort of accepted the in advance\h\h 60 00:05:41,730 --> 00:05:47,280 the skepticism that might might have greeted us\h and that's why the notebooks were so overwhelming\h\h 61 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:51,300 they were overwhelming because we felt that the\h opposition would be overwhelming and we had to\h\h 62 00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:56,580 defeat them on the field of battle yes it was it\h was a preemptive strike it was a bold brave for\h\h 63 00:05:56,580 --> 00:06:01,410 they could start doubting anything we overwhelmed\h them with a vision that could not be refuted 64 00:06:13,550 --> 00:06:18,800 now history is an extremely important part of\h dark skies not just because it's interesting\h\h 65 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,660 but because it gave us a way to tell the story\h in a totally different way what I fundamentally\h\h 66 00:06:23,660 --> 00:06:28,700 loved about the pilot that was successful in the\h first half of the series was visiting historical\h\h 67 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:35,300 events week by week and putting our two heroes\h into the mix to find the truth in a situation\h\h 68 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:41,660 there's a whole genre of alien invasion movies\h and television series that have gone on before\h\h 69 00:06:41,660 --> 00:06:47,960 where it's primarily battling the invasion\h we wanted to add an element to it that made\h\h 70 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:53,450 it compelling in its own right and that was\h history for us the level of writing and the\h\h 71 00:06:53,450 --> 00:07:00,410 forward thinking of how they were able to tie\h in actual historical events and put a twist on\h\h 72 00:07:00,410 --> 00:07:06,830 it to include this suspected alien invasion was\h brilliant kind of in the early stages it was let's\h\h 73 00:07:06,830 --> 00:07:12,950 do Forrest Gump me tour of the Worlds let's do a\h complete revisionist history of the 20th century\h\h 74 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:20,210 as if aliens really existed and that kind of\h opened the door to all sorts of possibilities 75 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:29,920 freeze it right there and steal behind the cowboy\h two feet from Oswald when he got shot it's a very\h\h 76 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:39,430 high concept but at the same time it's all rooted\h in real history and logical ideas about why or how\h\h 77 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:42,910 things happen things that aren't actually\h explained generally the best ones are the\h\h 78 00:07:42,910 --> 00:07:48,490 ones that are left a bit of a mystery like the\h assassination of JFK we all really don't know\h\h 79 00:07:48,490 --> 00:07:54,160 exactly what happened so it leaves a lot of room\h for interpretation in life President Kennedy had\h\h 80 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:01,990 inspired me to a higher standard I resolved that\h his death would have no lesser effect the enemy\h\h 81 00:08:01,990 --> 00:08:09,340 was out there they had claimed our leader but\h the war was far from over it just allowed us to\h\h 82 00:08:09,340 --> 00:08:14,200 point of view into a wealth of a pre-existing\h material where we'd go in and say okay this is\h\h 83 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,420 what everyone thinks happened what's our darks\h guys take and we could go backwards and forwards\h\h 84 00:08:19,420 --> 00:08:23,080 in history and start applying that to everything\h that's one of the things you're always looking\h\h 85 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:28,390 for when you're breaking you know TV episodes\h is I need some traction I need something to\h\h 86 00:08:28,390 --> 00:08:33,160 get me going here that became our franchise is\h that we just went in in mind history for all of\h\h 87 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:39,460 these interesting incidents and put a dark sky\h spin on control we are in contact with the range 88 00:08:48,750 --> 00:08:57,240 gentlemen mission controls in a state of lockdown\h until everyone has been debriefed I loved visiting\h\h 89 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:03,960 these times in our history it was fun to do and\h it was educational for me and I also think it was\h\h 90 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,670 entertaining every week I was like Oh how's this\h gonna be well I get to be in haight-ashbury oh\h\h 91 00:09:08,670 --> 00:09:13,620 my gosh you know I get to be in these times it\h was sort of thrilling personally to experience\h\h 92 00:09:13,620 --> 00:09:19,530 that I've had people tell me that yeah I love dark\h skies I mean the alien stuff was fascinating but\h\h 93 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:25,680 I just loved the nostalgic ride sir mr. Kennedy I\h want to apologize for ever dragging you and your\h\h 94 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:31,110 brother into this it's President would never\h accept that apology neither will I one of the\h\h 95 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:37,200 reasons by the way we wanted to start with Kennedy\h and and with the 60s was just sufficient time had\h\h 96 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:43,980 passed that Kennedy had become mythology not not\h a real flesh-and-blood guy and it was okay to sort\h\h 97 00:09:43,980 --> 00:09:50,070 of have fun with that the Kennedy assassination\h to the average member of the audience the Kennedy\h\h 98 00:09:50,070 --> 00:09:54,690 assassination was like the Lincoln assassination\h that's certainly true today you know if you talk\h\h 99 00:09:54,690 --> 00:10:01,860 to any kids it's like Lincoln Kennedy whatever\h right a dead president the other opportunistic\h\h 100 00:10:01,860 --> 00:10:07,980 thing about the Kennedy assassination was that you\h know despite what the Warren Commission said a lot\h\h 101 00:10:07,980 --> 00:10:13,470 of people never believed the truth had come out\h so there was still an open right for an another\h\h 102 00:10:13,470 --> 00:10:19,920 dramatic interpretation of what really happened\h behind the scenes for that assassination and we\h\h 103 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:25,080 felt like well no one has come out with that\h theory but what we really were trying to do at\h\h 104 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:30,090 the very beginning that that got us excited\h when we started to develop this UFO series\h\h 105 00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:37,710 together we said wait a minute the two biggest\h conspiracies that people have think are going\h\h 106 00:10:37,710 --> 00:10:43,260 on right now in conspiracy theory would be the\h Kennedy assassination clearly a major conspiracy\h\h 107 00:10:43,260 --> 00:10:50,880 UFO cover-up clearly a major conspiracy what if\h we put them together into the granddaddy of all\h\h 108 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:56,670 conspiracies and we call the you know the the\h unification theory of conspiracy to put Kennedy\h\h 109 00:10:56,670 --> 00:11:01,770 and UFOs together and honestly this day I still\h have to pinch myself that that in America network\h\h 110 00:11:01,770 --> 00:11:09,150 in an American production studio would give\h us millions of dollars to to make a two-hour\h\h 111 00:11:09,150 --> 00:11:17,580 movie that suggests the Kennedy and UFOs are tied\h into the same overarching I can't believe that in\h\h 112 00:11:17,580 --> 00:11:25,560 the wake of dark skies you actually can now go on\h some UFO sites and forums and whatnot and see that\h\h 113 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:30,540 people are saying you know there is some evidence\h that links aliens to Kennedy's assassination\h\h 114 00:11:30,540 --> 00:11:35,430 that's become something where once you put that\h theory out there people start saying oh yeah\h\h 115 00:11:35,430 --> 00:11:40,920 there that's unless that's a legitimate theory\h when we were doing dark skies the first majestic\h\h 116 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:48,090 documents had leaked out it was basically the\h Eisenhower briefing memo that was leaked in 1984\h\h 117 00:11:48,090 --> 00:11:53,490 that was a briefing memo for Dwight Eisenhower in\h 1952 and that's kind of the the wellhead of the\h\h 118 00:11:53,490 --> 00:11:59,100 conspiracy with majestic but what was interesting\h is that there were new documents that came out in\h\h 119 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:05,940 2000 a whole slew of new majestic documents so\h this is after dark skies has been cancelled for\h\h 120 00:12:05,940 --> 00:12:12,180 three years these documents come out also majestic\h documents and they are about Kennedy some of them\h\h 121 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:18,900 are about Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe yeah we tied\h in as well in the in the war and omission episode 122 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:31,130 turn it off honey no yes sir it's gonna be\h authenticated as having been filmed on the\h\h 123 00:12:31,130 --> 00:12:36,050 day miss Monroe's has tragically died there\h is a copy at another location there were two\h\h 124 00:12:36,050 --> 00:12:43,190 parallel tracks of research being done and I was\h history was interesting to me but with Bryce it\h\h 125 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:48,620 was part of his life and his upbringing so he\h had a wealth of information about just general\h\h 126 00:12:48,620 --> 00:12:54,170 history as well as a real immersion in a lot of\h cultural events we were gonna be deconstructing\h\h 127 00:12:54,170 --> 00:12:59,420 well we differ in one respect which I almost\h hate to admit because I lived through some of\h\h 128 00:12:59,420 --> 00:13:07,400 those events and and so I actually remember you\h know what happened when Kennedy died and how I\h\h 129 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:13,970 felt and you were just born so I don't think you\h had you did remember that so so there's that my\h\h 130 00:13:13,970 --> 00:13:20,390 father was a history teacher so history was very\h important and and one of my little passions came\h\h 131 00:13:20,390 --> 00:13:27,620 in really happy happily coincided with our dark\h skies research which was collecting Time and\h\h 132 00:13:27,620 --> 00:13:34,190 Newsweek magazines because that allowed us\h to really you know history books are about\h\h 133 00:13:34,190 --> 00:13:39,110 the big picture and you get the trends and all\h that but what what happened in those magazines\h\h 134 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:44,930 you'd find all the different things that were\h happening at the same time in detail and what\h\h 135 00:13:44,930 --> 00:13:49,520 people were saying and we're able to just\h constantly match those up with UFO events\h\h 136 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:55,490 and find details I mean there are people who\h watch our show and and still say boy they got\h\h 137 00:13:55,490 --> 00:14:01,250 that wrong that songs not right or whatever\h but overall it's meticulously researched 138 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:14,940 got a thing for these guys don't you we\h also both had a real interest in UFOs\h\h 139 00:14:14,940 --> 00:14:20,970 so he had read a bunch of books and he has a\h very impressive UFO library I have something\h\h 140 00:14:20,970 --> 00:14:25,530 smaller and mine's more esoteric but I think\h between us it had kind of covered the bases\h\h 141 00:14:25,530 --> 00:14:29,610 and we had a pretty good knowledge and what we\h started doing was we started saying okay here\h\h 142 00:14:29,610 --> 00:14:34,650 are all of these recorded events in history as\h we know it and here are all of these recorded\h\h 143 00:14:34,650 --> 00:14:40,560 events in the UFO history and let's just look for\h synergistic opportunities to start marrying them\h\h 144 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:47,160 together and there are so many famous events\h in in you know UFO history and certainly lots\h\h 145 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:52,140 of cultural touchstones throughout you know the\h 20th century that we were able to just find all\h\h 146 00:14:52,140 --> 00:14:56,730 of these great little inflection points to\h say okay well this happened about this time\h\h 147 00:14:56,730 --> 00:15:01,110 that this was going on let's say that they're\h connected somehow a good classic for us is to\h\h 148 00:15:01,110 --> 00:15:07,680 pray in darkness which is takes place during the\h New York Power blackout of 1965 which happened\h\h 149 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:15,660 the day before Dorothy Kilgallen died which is\h alleged to have been potentially influenced by\h\h 150 00:15:15,660 --> 00:15:20,640 UFOs because they caused the blackout\h sometimes they'd all this came together 151 00:15:28,030 --> 00:15:33,130 everyone knows what Roswell is now or what it\h represents to people but it was our opinion that\h\h 152 00:15:33,130 --> 00:15:39,250 if Roswell was the crash of flying saucer or an\h unidentified flying object or even two of them in\h\h 153 00:15:39,250 --> 00:15:47,320 1947 if we don't know about it and yet it happened\h well then as we've said in the series history is\h\h 154 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:54,430 a lie there's truth and then there's truth if you\h really want to tell the American people the real\h\h 155 00:15:54,430 --> 00:16:01,570 truth about this we're gonna be at war nuclear war\h almost immediately there are other ways to fight\h\h 156 00:16:01,570 --> 00:16:06,430 sir and keep the Cold War cold I think neither of\h us would argue that everything in dark skies is\h\h 157 00:16:06,430 --> 00:16:12,880 true but but the underlying essence of it is true\h which is if you want to look at history since the\h\h 158 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:18,910 late 40s and you start to think about the fact\h that contact with and other intelligence has\h\h 159 00:16:18,910 --> 00:16:25,030 occurred and is occurring then you don't know the\h whole story and someday when it's all comes out\h\h 160 00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:30,220 they're gonna have to rewrite every history book\h and that will be an interesting time for the world 161 00:16:38,180 --> 00:16:52,190 my name is John Bowen Garth I'm recording this\h because we may not live you the night they're\h\h